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Realism and Sanity from “the Derb”: “Sex Equality Dogma taken to Lunatic Extremes”

27 Monday Nov 2017

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Writes John Derbyshire:

O’Reilly implodes; Is Bill O’Reilly finally imploding? I am still a regular viewer of the Factor, but I find that more and more often I turn it off after ten minutes or so to do something more rewarding.

For one thing, there’s his bullying and grandstanding about child molesters. Now, I not a big fan of child molesters, having two kids of my own. The real monsters, though, are a minuscule minority of those who would be swept up by the kinds of laws O’Reilly is arguing for. The majority would be harmless, clueless, sad types who had yielded to, or been led on to, the momentary of some petty fumbling, then been ready to commit suicide when they realized what they had done. People like that need to be chastised and set straight, but they don’t need the magnum sentences they’d get under Sandra’s law, or whatever the hell thing it is O’Reilly is bellowing for.

Even weirder is O’Reilly’s  conviction that the seduction of 14-year-old boys by pretty 25-year-old teachers is just as bad –precisely the same! deserves the identical sentence!- as the contrary thing with a 14-year-old girl and a 25-year-old male teacher. This is sex equality dogma taken to lunatic extremes, as I’ve argued in a previous diary. I’d expect this kind of junk jurisprudence from some glaring feminist, but why am I getting it from O’Reilly? (johnderbyshire.com/opinion/diaries/2006-04)

Actually, the view that the two acts are precisely the same and deserve the identical sentence informs the laws of all 50 states and has done so for decades and has long been espoused by virtually all of our ruling-elites and governing-classes, left and right and center: politicians, the media, SVU detectives, prosecutors, Judges, etc. What JD describes as “weird” is now a sacred and inviolate dogma, and for the elites and a plurality of people they’ve poisoned and propagandized, to confute this absurdity is comparable to denying the holocaust or defending slavery and segregation.

It should also be noted that in most of these intrigues, the woman isn’t even guilty of seduction. Either the “victim” is the aggressor and initiator or their sexual union could be described as a mutual coming together.

And though adult women allowing biological men under statutory age to penetrate them in de facto consensual relationships is not “as bad” or precisely the same as adult men penetrating and often impregnating underage adolescent girls, I also oppose draconian and “magnum” sentences for adult men who have love affairs or mere dalliances with young women under statutory age if they are first-offenders with no history of violent or other mala in se criminality.

“Blocked” by Barton

15 Monday Aug 2016

Posted by in Abigail Simon, age of consent, Barton Dieters, CSA victimology, Debra Lafave, Uncategorized, women as "pedophiles" and "child molesters", women as rapists

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On Aug. 1, 2016, I sent this email to four people, including Martin Tieber and Barton Dieters:

In a sane and just and rational country, she would not have even been charged with a crime but simply punished, non-criminally, by dismissal and revocation of her license and expulsion from the profession. All this is more than punishment enough for transporting a biological man of 15 to sexual paradise and “inappropriate”/unprofessional behavior. Imagine what this would entail and how it would blight her life if she couldn’t find another job or was forced to work for the minimum-wage at a fast-food restaurant or wherever. And so forth.

Or, at worst, charged with a misdemeanor and, if convicted, sentenced to 3-6 months of probation and 5-100 hours of “community service,” and perhaps also fined modestly -all of which is not only excessive but gratuitous in respect to “public safety” and deterring and preventing violent and other serious crimes.

No jail, no prison, no “sex-offender treatment (to “treat” her for what exactly, heterosexuality?), no quasi-totalitarian surveillance; no electronic parole monitoring with an ankle tether/”bracelet”; no public sex-offender registration, with her name,  mug-shot, and address on the internet, observable to everyone with access to a computer(s), not only in the U.S. but in the entire world, so myriads of those who hate her can send her hate-mail and death-threats, and, for many, ostracize, revile, harass, and threaten her in person, and, possibly for some or at least a few, vandalize her property and/or even assault or murder her -all this until she dies at age 77 or 84 or 92. I suggest you go to RSOL and read many or some of the articles and comments as to what it’s like to be on the sex-offendeer registry.

8-25 years in prison and a lifetime of draconian/Orwellian persecution for a first-offender convicted of nonviolent and victimless and mala prohibita crimes that are legal acts in dozens of other nations, including European countries; a woman who has never committed a violent or other malum in se crime in her life and never will and is not a “threat to society” or to anyone nor even a danger to “re-offend” by having sex with another young man under statutory age.

And the generic age of consent in Michigan is 16. If he had been 16, just a few months and weeks older, and she had not been his tutor (or had been a tutor at another high school?), their affair would have been legal under Michigan law.

Dieters was so enraged and appalled by what I wrote that he blocked me immediately, so he didn’t read my criticism of him in a second email for which I received an “undeliverable” message:

On this matter, the media (local, state, national) is less a source of neutral and objective news than a tendentious agent of CSA victimology propaganda and inculcation in which all critical/dissenting voices are suppressed, almost as if under a totalitarian regime, or denounced and derided and defamed.

And sensationalism and histrionics for the ratings in the Letourneau, Lafave, Simon, and many other cases, mass-hysteria and “frenzy” over what is in fact a trivial matter that should be covered swiftly and quietly and, in my opinion, shouldn’t even be a crime and surely not a felony.

In covering this story, Dieters was less a reporter than a cheerleader for the prosecution and CSA victimology propagandist. To offer but one of many examples: a reporter who uses the phrase “ex-tutor guilty of raping her student” is not a journalist, neutral and objective, but an activist, ideologue, propagandist, CSA victimologist, who uses language not to describe but rather to distort and pervert objective reality for ideological purposes.

Kirk Douglas was “Raped” by his Teacher

12 Thursday May 2016

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Kirk Douglas fondly recalls an affair with his teacher: “I had been a ragamuffin kid of 15 coping with a neighborhood filled with gangs. Under my teacher’s guidance, I became a different person. I’m eternally grateful. By today’s standards, she would have gone to jail. I had no idea we were doing something wrong. Did she?”

It’s understandable why a young man of 15 wouldn’t feel and think that something so pleasurable, so natural, so exciting. so gratifying, so empowering was “wrong.” And, obviously, given such feelings (even assuming he did feel it was “wrong” because of moral and religious inculcation), he didn’t think he was a victim of “rape” and CSA who was “traumatized,” devastated, and “scarred for life.”

What of his teacher? It’s likely she thought it was “wrong” in the sense of it being “inappropriate” and unprofessional. But perhaps she didn’t even think that. And I’m certain she didn’t think it was “wrong”in the sense of being aberrant and unnatural and/or egregiously immoral and transgressive. And, even more so, I’m sure she didn’t think it was “wrong” in the sense that she was a “rapist” and “pedophile” and “child molester,” and that her lover was a victim of “rape” and CSA who was “traumatized” and “scarred for life.”

And it’s likely that she knew or feared she was guilty of a “moral’s offense,” however defined, but wasn’t unduly worried since there was little chance of anyone knowing or suspecting they were having sex and telling school officials or calling the police.

But today, almost surely, she’d be arrested, prosecuted, convicted of a felony or felonies, and sentenced to anywhere from 6-12 in jail, if lucky, to 10-30 years in prison; to years of punitive “sex offender treatment,” both in jail or prison and after her release; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; and registration for life as a uniquely monstrous and dangerous criminal. And she’d be vilified as a “sexual predator,” “child molester,” “pedophile,” and “rapist” with no penis, and Douglas would be viewed and defined as the “victim” of a traumatic and life-destroying violation even if he told the authorities and all else that he enjoyed the sex and was a willing participant -because this was his actual experience, incredulously, in contrast to the delusions of CSA victimologists.

Now, apparently, Douglas knows their affair was “wrong.” But does he think it should have been a felony as it is today and since the 1970’s or even a misdemeanor? Does he think his teacher and women like Mary Letourneau, Debra Lafave, Cassandra Sorenson-Grohall, Melissa Bittner, Abigail Simon, and many others are “rapists” and “pedophiles” who should be charged with felonies and sentenced to months in jail or years in prison and all the extra/post-incarceration punishments? It would be fascinating to read or hear his opinions in an interview in a magazine or on national television.

Ironically and paradoxically, in respect to intrigues and dalliances between young men under age 18 and adult females, above all teachers, the America of today and of the last 20-years is far more repressive, draconian, hysterical, irrational, delusional, and inquisatorial than the America of Douglas’s youth, the “good-old-days” or “bad-old-days,” depending on one’s values and politics and weltanschauung.

Savor the irony, the poetic injustice, if you will: without her guidance, he might have ended up dead or buried in prison rather than going on to become a rich and famous and legendary actor, one of the most feted and iconic of all the great movie stars of the post World-War II era. Not only did she turn him into a “different person,” not only did she enrich his life morally and artistically and intellectually, not only did she give him the sex that he craved and  enjoyed and fondly remembers, she might have even saved his life. But if they had such an affair today or in the 1990’s, her life would be blighted -profoundly, tragically, hellishly- if not utterly destroyed. She would be branded with the “new-age” scarlet letter, figuratively, until she died. She would never be free again. Unlike her “victim,” she’d be traumatized, devastated, and scarred for life.

 

 

 

“I would have been thrilled….”

05 Thursday May 2016

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At least I’m not the only one still living in the real world as opposed to the fantasy world of CSA victimologists, the mass-media and its “experts” and pundits and “talking-heads,” MRAs, and the tens of millions of people they’ve brainwashed in full or essentially. Or terrorized and browbeat into silence or affected concurrence? John Derbyshire states the facts and notes the obvious and tells the truth as to how biological men ages 13-17 react to and experience acts of coitus and fellatio with adult women and especially those as ravishing and voluptuous as Debra Lafave:

Miscreant of the month: Debra Lafave, the 25-year-0ld Florida schoolteacher who was charged with sexual molestation for having got intimate with a 14-year-old student. Now, Miss Lafave did a wrong thing, no doubt, and should be…booted out of the teaching profession for good. Still, there was something distinctly odd about the news coverage of the story. What was odd was, the constant implication -I don’t recall anyone having the nerve to say it out loud, but it was there in all the coverage, just under the surface -that this was just like a 25-year-old male teacher doing the same thing to a 14-year-old female student.

Well, I’m sorry, but it isn’t. Not only is the Lafave case  not just like that, it isn’t anything like that. Ms. Lafave is a very pretty young woman. I was a 14-year-old boy myself once. It was a while ago, but I can still remember what it felt like. I would have been thrilled to be seduced by Ms. Lafave, and I would have been the envy of my peers. I would go so far to say that it is the sweetest dream of every red-blooded 14-year-old boy to be seduced by an attractive older woman.

That doesn’t make Ms. Lafave’s actions right, of course, and I am not apologizing for her. It does, though, at least in my mind, cast deep suspicion on claims by (among others) the boy’s parents that he was “traumatized” by the experience. Believe me, gentle reader, there are 14-year-old boys all over America yearning to be so “traumatized.”

That we use the same words -“assault,” “molestation,” even “rape”- for the advances made by a 25-year-old on a 14-year-old male, as we would use for similar advances by a 25-year-old male on a 14-year-0ld female, just shows what a mess we have got ourselves into on the sexual-equality front. Men are not women, and women are not men. That is, of course, a politically-incorrect statement. Gaze on it while you can: soon it will be illegal to utter it. (John Derbyshire, NRO Diary, March 2006.)

One should note that in most of these cases the woman isn’t even guilty of seduction. Either the “victim” was the aggressor and initiator or their sexual union could be described as a mutual coming together, more spontaneous than calculating for both partners.